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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:54 pm

hi yes sorry been hospitalised for a while so not been on the forum since last post but yes problem solved.:-
bought cdi unit --no go
bought pulse gen coil from usa--no go
changed stator coils --no go
changed r/h switch gear--no go
changed diode--no go
changed rectifier--no go
changed fuse box--no go
changed sidestand switch--no go
made additional earth leads engine to rec etc--no go
bridged out clutch switch (broken)--no go

Bought wiring loom from Ebay and took all wrapping off so i could see where the wiring leads terminated(the manual wiring loom meant nothing to me)--made connections and ALL the lighting problems went away--every light and dash light worked as per !! JOY short lived--still no spark from ht leads--- in desperation(do NOT try this at home--30000volts hurts)------held on to bare plug lead and kicked over-- not even a tingle----dug through loft spares and found the original denso ignition coil i had changed out months before when all this started--fitted--a single kick and it burst into life but when running the r/h can was spraying copious amounts of oil every where(yea i know everyone keeps telling me the crank seals are gone)spent the next 8 hours every hour going down the garage and starting just to make sure it was not a fluke but sure enough every time was a single kick to start.
The main fault obviously was in the original loom because changing it out cured the lighting problems---the no ignition spark was down to a brand new ignition coil which i dismissed Because it was new(don`t ever assume an electrical item is not the cause just because it was recently purchased--ever heard of a manufacturing fault?)AND DON`T BUY A NEW COIL FROM "MERTABS" A COMPANY ON EBAY WHO REFUSED TO REPLACE A WILDLY OUT OF SPEC IGNITION COIL OR GIVE A REFUND FOR A DEFECTIVE ITEM,(Rant over)So a couple of days later it was time to re wrap the proven harness with self amalgamating tape and 5 minutes into the job--BANG--a pain explosion in my back collapsing me to the floor( my old Sciatica--google it--problem had returned)no walking away from this one as it took paramedics 2 hours plus morphine injections to get me on my feet but could not move one step--long story long--hospitalised for a week and sent home in the same pain with a bunch of painkillers(GOOD OLD NHS)--cannot walk down one stair(i`m on a walking frame)and there`s fifteen to the ground floor and the daily care team say it will be January before my feet feel the pavement- don`t even mention max 2 hours sleep at night.And i sick of swallowing painkillers.
SORRY ITS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BUT AT LEAST EVERYONE`S IN THE PICTURE UP TO DATE-----and lastly a BIG BIG THANKYOU to DOUG BEACOCK--who spent weeks on and of emailing me over this problem and educating me into the mystery of a motorcycle CDI ignition system and without his guidance the bike would not be running now--THANKS A MILLION FELLA.
LASTLY--I refitted all my original electrical items switchgear and the original cdi unit which i thought was faulty etc and it still started 1 kick and ran perfectly with all lighting functions??????????????

A GOOD CHRISTMAS TO ALL MEMBERS ON THE FORUM.
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by podman » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:31 pm

NOSHER wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:54 pm
hi yes sorry been hospitalised for a while so not been on the forum since last post but yes problem solved.:-
bought cdi unit --no go
bought pulse gen coil from usa--no go
changed stator coils --no go
changed r/h switch gear--no go
changed diode--no go
changed rectifier--no go
changed fuse box--no go
changed sidestand switch--no go
made additional earth leads engine to rec etc--no go
bridged out clutch switch (broken)--no go

Bought wiring loom from Ebay and took all wrapping off so i could see where the wiring leads terminated(the manual wiring loom meant nothing to me)--made connections and ALL the lighting problems went away--every light and dash light worked as per !! JOY short lived--still no spark from ht leads--- in desperation(do NOT try this at home--30000volts hurts)------held on to bare plug lead and kicked over-- not even a tingle----dug through loft spares and found the original denso ignition coil i had changed out months before when all this started--fitted--a single kick and it burst into life but when running the r/h can was spraying copious amounts of oil every where(yea i know everyone keeps telling me the crank seals are gone)spent the next 8 hours every hour going down the garage and starting just to make sure it was not a fluke but sure enough every time was a single kick to start.
The main fault obviously was in the original loom because changing it out cured the lighting problems---the no ignition spark was down to a brand new ignition coil which i dismissed Because it was new(don`t ever assume an electrical item is not the cause just because it was recently purchased--ever heard of a manufacturing fault?)AND DON`T BUY A NEW COIL FROM "MERTABS" A COMPANY ON EBAY WHO REFUSED TO REPLACE A WILDLY OUT OF SPEC IGNITION COIL OR GIVE A REFUND FOR A DEFECTIVE ITEM,(Rant over)So a couple of days later it was time to re wrap the proven harness with self amalgamating tape and 5 minutes into the job--BANG--a pain explosion in my back collapsing me to the floor( my old Sciatica--google it--problem had returned)no walking away from this one as it took paramedics 2 hours plus morphine injections to get me on my feet but could not move one step--long story long--hospitalised for a week and sent home in the same pain with a bunch of painkillers(GOOD OLD NHS)--cannot walk down one stair(i`m on a walking frame)and there`s fifteen to the ground floor and the daily care team say it will be January before my feet feel the pavement- don`t even mention max 2 hours sleep at night.And i sick of swallowing painkillers.
SORRY ITS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BUT AT LEAST EVERYONE`S IN THE PICTURE UP TO DATE-----and lastly a BIG BIG THANKYOU to DOUG BEACOCK--who spent weeks on and of emailing me over this problem and educating me into the mystery of a motorcycle CDI ignition system and without his guidance the bike would not be running now--THANKS A MILLION FELLA.
LASTLY--I refitted all my original electrical items switchgear and the original cdi unit which i thought was faulty etc and it still started 1 kick and ran perfectly with all lighting functions??????????????

A GOOD CHRISTMAS TO ALL MEMBERS ON THE FORUM.
Jeez, that was a rollercoaster read , I didnt see that ending coming up...look after yourself mate, I hope your fit n ready for a ride out on it come the Spring.

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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:19 pm

yes it was a bit long and drawn out but at my age you do tend to drivel on a bit prob something to do with swallowing all that 2 stroke smoke !!
hope i`m back on it before spring as well--got 3 other running bikes languishing in the garage.
thanks for the reply Pod.
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by c&c » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:17 pm

First things first, get well soon..
Jeez, what a palava with the electrics..
Great to have someone to help who knows what their taking about..
Enjoy riding it when your back on your feet..
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:05 am

hi--yes all that work time and expense by the asshole who supplied a defective ignition coil and who still after two months of un replied emails has finally sent a message saying its not their responsibility to replace or refund an item"not fit for purpose".
Thanks for your good wishes--if i could walk i`de be down the garage putting everything back together--pity i cant get the kri up into the flat!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by c&c » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:32 am

A friend of mine contacted Electrex a couple of weeks ago about a stator for a Suzuki and they couldn't give him any info like output etc of their product..😲

I think i read in one of the mags of two brothers who built a bike for their dad in their flat from parts..They had some fun getting it out of there...
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:48 pm

ok try this for good business sense--an ebay supplier with a LARGE star rating for selling aftermarket ignition coils could not give me the primary and secondary readings(done statically)of an ignition coil because the did not even possess a basic Multitester!! THEY SAID "You buy it and test it when you get it and if its not in spec,send it back for a refund but you have to pay the return postage.(err--Customer service--what?--30 seconds with a multitester you can give the customer the answer to their question-----how do these Ebaysellers retain their star rating?
TRUE STORY--in 1961 i was 17--(all right cut the jokes about crumblies) and i helped my brothers friend "collect"parts and between us we built that bike slowly upstairs in his small bedroom in his parent`s house until it was complete.we even started the engine right there--much jumping up and down on the kickstart and jiggling the advance and retard lever--with that old house i`m surprised that it did not go through those creaky floorboards into the kitchen below(the house had been hit by a bomb in WW2 and "JERRY rebuilt" after the hostilities).
Yes you got it--we took it all apart again--carried it bit by bit downstairs to the back garden and reassembled it all over again.I was 8 stone dripping wet in those days and as a reward for my help Grog(bike owner) let me be the first to ride it round the block with no insurance/ tax/crash hat/goggles/ boots and, my friend, that was the first time i ever got to ride a--- BSA Gold Star DB34 500cc single(70 mph in first gear)those were the days.
Thats a true story a bit long and drawn out but prob a bit better read than the Sunday
paper maybe????
snowing like mad here for last 7 hours how is it in the land of the "black stuff"with you?
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:46 pm

oh and i sent Elextrex two emails as to supplying or making a pickup coil for the KR and not even the courtesy of a reply to either of them. :evil:
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by 500bernie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:53 pm

Some companies have no idea about customer service, many many moons ago I blew up my S3, thrashing it back home from Leicester (Barcol tuning) where I had been to get it measured up for a set of spannies) dreaded K&N airfilter fell off, and it ended up with all three pistons at tdc.
I bought a set of new barrels from Cradley and they sent them cash on delivery, don't think that would happen now.
I have used Cradley ever since. ......customer service pays.
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by c&c » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:17 pm

NOSHER wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:48 pm
ok try this for good business sense--an ebay supplier with a LARGE star rating for selling aftermarket ignition coils could not give me the primary and secondary readings(done statically)of an ignition coil because the did not even possess a basic Multitester!! THEY SAID "You buy it and test it when you get it and if its not in spec,send it back for a refund but you have to pay the return postage.(err--Customer service--what?--30 seconds with a multitester you can give the customer the answer to their question-----how do these Ebaysellers retain their star rating?
TRUE STORY--in 1961 i was 17--(all right cut the jokes about crumblies) and i helped my brothers friend "collect"parts and between us we built that bike slowly upstairs in his small bedroom in his parent`s house until it was complete.we even started the engine right there--much jumping up and down on the kickstart and jiggling the advance and retard lever--with that old house i`m surprised that it did not go through those creaky floorboards into the kitchen below(the house had been hit by a bomb in WW2 and "JERRY rebuilt" after the hostilities).
Yes you got it--we took it all apart again--carried it bit by bit downstairs to the back garden and reassembled it all over again.I was 8 stone dripping wet in those days and as a reward for my help Grog(bike owner) let me be the first to ride it round the block with no insurance/ tax/crash hat/goggles/ boots and, my friend, that was the first time i ever got to ride a--- BSA Gold Star DB34 500cc single(70 mph in first gear)those were the days.
Thats a true story a bit long and drawn out but prob a bit better read than the Sunday
paper maybe????
snowing like mad here for last 7 hours how is it in the land of the "black stuff"with you?
Something tells me you could write a book with your experiences..😊
Snow forcast here but we didn't get a drop..
Cold out in the garage though but did have a few cans of the black stuff to get me through..( any excuse ).)☻
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by c&c » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:28 pm

500bernie wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:53 pm
Some companies have no idea about customer service, many many moons ago I blew up my S3, thrashing it back home from Leicester (Barcol tuning) where I had been to get it measured up for a set of spannies) dreaded K&N airfilter fell off, and it ended up with all three pistons at tdc.
I bought a set of new barrels from Cradley and they sent them cash on delivery, don't think that would happen now.
I have used Cradley ever since. ......customer service pays.
I think i"ll try that c.o.d.idea on a set of barrells.😉
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:44 pm

Bernie--you`ll get no argument from me as far as "customer service pays"--only thing is i think the only person who gets the "pays" is the seller these days !!!


C.C Thanks for the bigup on the Literery skills but i`m afraid at 73 a lot off the memories are somewhere in the misty past and its only comments like yours that awaken a few.
Oh and be careful of the black stuff --you may end up liking it.

Thanks for your posts guys much appreciated when i am stuck in the flat and can`t get down the garage to twirl a few spanners or switch on a couple of Multi testers hehe
And another really BIG bigup for the guy who patiently for weeks emailed me with the secrets of the dark art of reading a Wiring Diagram and how a CDI ignition system works
is member BOZBRIDGE-- Thanks hugely fella.
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by bozbridge » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:09 pm

Now then Nosher, happy to help & I'm glad you've got the problems ironed out.. hope you're feeling a bit better as well, sounds like you've been through it a bit! Email whenever you like, let me know how you're getting on.

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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by c&c » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:47 pm

Hope your keeping well and back on your feet...
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Re: pick up exciter coil

Post by NOSHER » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:17 pm

hey there thanks for the good wishes--can walk without crutches now but gearchange leg refuses to join the party so just started a course of physio to see if they can bring it back --fingers crossed.
the cold weather is keeping me away from the garage(20 metres detached from house and -2 c overnight temp)so haven`t continued rewrapping the wiring loom which is what gave me the initial sciatica attack back in November so amusing myself watching Classic Motogp races on Virgin TV until Spring weather makes its late arrival. :-|
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