F3 kips valves to be manufactured

SHimmer45 · Post by **SHimmer45** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:09 am

break a few eggs to make an omlet and all that.

its good that you have taken the time to make these kit parts avaliable to the masses

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:53 am

JanBros wrote:do you have to return all the faulty valves ?

Yes, I've already returned the ones I hadn't shipped yet.

@ the UK guys who have received/will receive the faulty valves in short notice, please don't bin them yet. I'm regularly in the UK and could collect perhaps some of them. Or, but that might be too much too ask for you could send them to one of you (The Elf? Kwackman12?) and I collect them from his place.....

All others don't bother about sending them back, just bin them, put them on your shelf, make a set of earrings out of them etc......

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:02 am

the-elf wrote:Looking at them the difference in the hole it is alot so you could drill and tap them your selve correctly. they won't be very strong as the holes will be quite close but if you have access to a lathe and some threaded bar you could fill the hole and locktite the inserts in place.

Herbert and I thought about that too, but that's only a solution for someone who's desperate to get his engine ready for the PB trackday or so

I want a perfect valve and that's what you've paid for too.

the-elf wrote: charles don't worry shit like this happens all the time.

Thanks, nearly got a stroke, when I discovered the fault..... ruined my day. The guy who's made valves ( and measured the original ones) is going to have a very black Friday. Herbert was fuming as he saw the new valves compared to the old ones. Such simple parts as these valves should be perfect the first time, he said. This guy will be working the whole weekend to get the new ones finished as soon as possible.

the-elf wrote: Don't forget clutch stars next and then the round rings that fit on the gear selectors which are now NLA need making. these need to be of titanium and very good quality (tight tolerance) unlike the original Kwack items.

I'd thought next we'd start making KIPS levers/wheels, you think those other parts are more urgent? Tight tolerance shouldn't be a problem. the stuff Herbert normally makes got tolerances of 1/1000mm

rgvlee · Post by **rgvlee** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:44 am

Don't stress charles, we all very much appreciate what you have done.

My wife will love her kips earrings

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:51 am

rgvlee wrote:Don't stress charles, we all very much appreciate what you have done.

My wife will love her kips earrings

There a pair for you as well, my wedding present

kwackman12 · Post by **kwackman12** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:18 am

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Charles wrote: the UK guys who have received/will receive the faulty valves in short notice, please don't bin them yet. I'm regularly in the UK and could collect perhaps some of them. Or, but that might be too much too ask for you could send them to one of you (The Elf? Kwackman12?) and I collect them from his place.....

As you Know Charles i'm coming over to Germany on the 25 October, if everyone posts them to me I could bring them with me, "if it's easier"
Gary
PS dont worry about it think the saying was vorsprung durk technic f****d

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:34 am

Hi Gary,

kwackman12 wrote: As you Know Charles i'm coming over to Germany on the 25 October, if everyone posts them to me I could bring them with me, "if it's easier"
Gary

Thought you were just there on the 26th, then I'll come over to the Ring on the 25th, to finally see a KR1S on the Nordschleife

If anyone bothers to send the valves to Gary that would be great, if not, no problem.

kwackman12 wrote: PS dont worry about it think the saying was vorsprung durk technic f****d

Yes, right, rub it in

At least I can say I tried to make some F3 valves and soon you'll all have them $\:D/$

the-elf · Post by **the-elf** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:53 am

Charles wrote:
the-elf wrote: Don't forget clutch stars next and then the round rings that fit on the gear selectors which are now NLA need making. these need to be of titanium and very good quality (tight tolerance) unlike the original Kwack items.
I'd thought next we'd start making KIPS levers/wheels, you think those other parts are more urgent? Tight tolerance shouldn't be a problem. the stuff Herbert normally makes got tolerances of 1/1000mm

we need the pullies as well

Not bothered about the order the stuff gets made in so long as we can get some made

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:57 am

the-elf wrote: we need the pullies as well Not bothered about the order the stuff gets made in so long as we can get some made

we'll get some made. Herbert will make anything we come up with, he promised.

kwackman12 · Post by **kwackman12** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:07 am

Will be coming over on the 25th but I dont know what time I will arrive as I am bringing the KR in a van (i'm a chicken I know)

should be around 3pm, My clubs hired the ring on the monday 26th. 135 bikes so far, apparently it's the largest group of bikes the channel tunnel has ever had booked as one group & they want to take some pictures for publicity purposes. Realy looking forward to riding it around the Nordschleife, still trying to find somewhere to hide the bulllet cam so I can record the event.Wonder if a "KR" has ever been around the "ring"

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:23 am

kwackman12 wrote:Will be coming over on the 25th but I dont know what time I will arrive as I am bringing the KR in a van (i'm a chicken I know) should be around 3pm, My clubs hired the ring on the monday 26th. 135 bikes so far, apparently it's the largest group of bikes the channel tunnel has ever had booked as one group & they want to take some pictures for publicity purposes. Realy looking forward to riding it around the Nordschleife, still trying to find somewhere to hide the bulllet cam so I can record the event.Wonder if a "KR" has ever been around the "ring"

I'll try to get Monday the 26th off then, hope you didn't forget to order decent weather as well

Don't think there's ever been a KR on the ring AFAIK. The current german KR owners I know either just polish them and ride them in sunny weather for 10 miles or keep theirs broken in their basement (cheers, Dirk

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kwackman12 · Post by **kwackman12** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:28 am

Charles wrote:
the-elf wrote: we need the pullies as well Not bothered about the order the stuff gets made in so long as we can get some made
we'll get some made. Herbert will make anything we come up with, he promised.

Would definatley have a set of pullies. My kips valves just arrived superb bit of kit!! would it be worth asking Hebert how much he would want for the "faulty" ones as I think I could do something with them as the "hole" is still high enough to clear the oil seal?

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:33 am

kwackman12 wrote: would it be worth asking Hebert how much he would want for the "faulty" ones as I think I could do something with them as the "hole" is still high enough to clear the oil seal?

Yes but the wheel/lever won't fit anymore, as the hole in the wheel doesn't match the one in the valve.

As long as you still take the perfect ones that are currently being made (just got a call from Herbert) , they're yours for free......

kwackman12 · Post by **kwackman12** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:39 am

Charles wrote:
kwackman12 wrote: would it be worth asking Hebert how much he would want for the "faulty" ones as I think I could do something with them as the "hole" is still high enough to clear the oil seal?

Yes but the wheel/lever won't fit anymore, as the hole in the wheel doesn't match the one in the valve.

As long as you still take the perfect ones that are currently being made (just got a call from Herbert) , they're yours for free......

Thanks for that Charles, also pass on my thanks to Herbert he seem a real gent

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:41 am

kwackman12 wrote:also pass on my thanks to Herbert he seem a real gent

he's not bad for a german, I must confess